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Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:50

by Rev. David Ramirez, Lincoln, Illinois

 

This Friday and Saturday, September 25-26, 2009, Lutheran CORE is holding a convocation in Fishers, Indiana, to discuss how to proceed in the aftermath of this summer's ELCA Assembly. Lutheran CORE is the organization through which the vast majority of "traditionalists" in the ELCA have attempted to fight the ELCA's slide into liberal Protestantism. There is no doubt that this meeting will prove to be an "I was there" event. One could draw parallels between this meeting and the withdrawal of the Pennsylvania Ministerium from the General Synod in 1864. However, this is not to imply that a new Lutheran body will emerge this weekend. There seems to be a complicated plan (or argument) concerning the relationship of Lutheran CORE to the ELCA. Will Lutheran CORE fight from within, leave as swiftly as possible, or limp along double-mindedly? Regardless of the specific fate of Lutheran CORE, I believe it is clear that this meeting signals the emergence of a large "moderate" Lutheran synod in America. We must remember that the General Council was not formed until 1867. Likewise, Fishers will not be the final break, but rather mark the beginning of the end of the ELCA as we know it now. The strongest parallel to this situation may be with the recent history of the Missouri Synod. Perhaps we could liken Lutheran CORE to ELIM, and the future "moderate" Lutheran body, which shall surely emerge, to the AELC, which was not constituted until the very end of 1976, almost 3 years after the Walkout in 1974.

 

But what specifically is going on with the "traditionalists" in the ELCA? What are people thinking, as they head to Fishers? What are the groups and the arguments? And what will transpire and be solved there? While I cannot yet answer the last question, I will be in Fishers to observe. Please check back here at Blogia Web Forum next week for a summary and some commentary on the proceedings. As for the other questions, I will attempt to provide a very general lay of the land.

 

The Lay of the Land

 One can make some important, broad observations about the different groups of "traditionalists" in the ELCA. For one, there is the "former LCA" and "former ALC" distinction. The ALC was more congregationalist, more conservative, more "low-church," less concerned about Lutheran unity in America, had closer ties to the Missouri Synod, and its greatest strength lay in the upper Midwest. The LCA was more hierarchical, more "high-church," very ecumenical and strongly desired to see Muhlenberg's dream of a united Lutheran Church in America realized, accepted liberal theology before other Lutherans in America, and had much of its strength in the East. The third predecessor body, the AELC, is less easy to classify. Many of the most vigorous proponents of the new stance on homosexual behavior are former Missourians, but there are some on the "traditionalist" side as well.

 

There is also the distinction between "confessing evangelicals" and "evangelical catholics" amongst the ELCA "traditionalists." These two groups are probably best represented by the WordAlone Network (WAN) and the Society of the Holy Trinity (STS), respectively. {{Please make the above highlighted names be links to these two organizations' home pages}} The "confessing evangelicals" seem much better prepared to take action, which is most likely due to their focus on the local congregation, less denominational loyalty to the ELCA, and prior crystallization into a powerful organization (WAN) during the debate over full communion with the Episcopalians.

 

"Evangelical catholics" seem to have the most difficult dilemma. They tend to have greater institutional loyalty than any other conservative group. This is in part due to the strong identification of the ELCA among former LCA members as a legitimate continuation of the LCA. Muhlenberg's dream of visible Lutheran unity in America is also still very important to them, and therefore they have doubts as to whether another split is beneficial. Many "evangelical catholics" do not relish the thought of being in a synod dominated by "confessing evangelicals."  They are wary of the importance laid upon the "priesthood of all believers" and worship influenced by American evangelicalism found in "confessing evangelical" circles. Some "evangelical catholics" look to Rome; however this would most likely entail abandoning their congregations. While the STS is a growing and vibrant organization of "evangelical catholics," it has thus far attempted to distance itself from church politics. And most importantly, unlike the "confessing evangelicals," the "evangelical catholics" have no clear landing pad.  

 

Responses

There appear to be three categories of response to the ELCA Assembly by "traditionalists," which cut across the distinctions made above. First, there are those who believe that it is time to go. They may not leave immediately, but the questions they are considering are "When?" and "How?" There will be differences of opinion about where they should go, but the question is not, "Should we leave?" Secondly, there are those who still wrestle with whether or not they should remain in the ELCA. However, this response will swiftly evolve into two divergent groups. On one hand, there will be those who will ultimately give an affirmative answer to the question "Should we leave?" and join the first group. On the other hand, there will be those who answer in the negative. They will advocate vigorously that it is faithful to remain in the ELCA and perhaps even harden their position to "one ought to stay." And thirdly, there are the wild card responses, such as writing to the pope for a Lutheran Rite, which will gain no serious traction.

 

Prediction: A "Moderate Synod"

 Sooner or later the people that are ready to leave, will; and they will not wait indefinitely for the others. The "Word Aloners" will control this new "moderate synod." This "moderate synod" will welcome the "evangelical catholics" and other types of traditionalists, but will be dominated by "confessing evangelicals." At least a couple hundred congregations will leave within two to two and a half years. The following are my reasons:

 

1. (The Biggest Reason) The WordAlone Network (WAN) has been organized for over a decade. There are already over 230 WAN congregations. Congregations, that's the important part! The WAN is not only an association of pastors, but churches who have already taken the steps necessary to vote together to make a statement against the ELCA. The path has already been cleared for these congregations to leave. The WAN congregations don't need to be primed and led out of the ELCA; many are prepared to leave immediately. Plus, they are mostly former ALCers who had deep misgivings about the merger in the first place. Also, we cannot forget about the LCMC, former "Word Aloners" who have their own parachurch organization. They already have almost 230 congregations, and are already independent of the ELCA structure. It is likely that they would join with those leaving, greatly bolstering the numbers of a "moderate synod."

 

2. If you read the Lutheran CORE Statement in response to the ELCA Assembly, you saw that they suggest not sending benevolence dollars to the ELCA Churchwide level. This kind of move tends to lead to a split; they are putting their money where their mouth is.

 

3. ELCA members are angry. While it certainly can no longer be said that "there is no such thing as a liberal Lutheran," the average ELCA layman is not pleased with the recent decisions of the ELCA. In short, something has to give.

 

For the next several years, congregations and families will stream from the ELCA into this "moderate synod." I believe that within five to seven years there will be a reasonably large "moderate synod" with approximately 500,000 members. This could easily come to pass sooner and result in a larger synod, if the iron is struck while it is hot.

 

Fears

 My first fear comes from a heartfelt concern for those in the ELCA. I fear that "traditionalists" who realize that the ELCA is a sinking ship will move into action too slowly. I fear they will squander far too much time, energy, and momentum by going round and round with the "traditionalists" who believe one ought to stay. Sometimes, the most faithful form of persuasion is leading, and eternally "remaining in dialogue" is no virtue.

 

My second fear is that the Missouri Synod will not take advantage to confess clearly during this time of confusion and reevaluation for ELCA members. I pray that we in the Missouri Synod reach out in love and truth on a local level. I fear that unfortunately, many conservative ELCA members will walk away from Lutheranism altogether.

 

My last fear is in regards to the nature of the "moderate synod." What will this synod be like? I fear it will not be a flight from blatant heterodoxy to orthodox Lutheranism. I do not doubt that the ordination of women will be tolerated, and thus the relationship between women's ordination and toleration of homosexual behavior will be ignored. Also, toleration of error and the understanding of the church, especially church fellowship, must be addressed if the new "moderate synod" is to avoid the pitfalls of the ELCA. However, I have little hope that a "moderate synod" will return to the church catholic's biblical doctrine of closed communion. I pray that the "traditionalists" in the ELCA will take a fresh look at what it means to confess that the Scriptures are the inspired Word of God. No church body in America that has denied inerrancy has escaped the slide into liberal Protestantism. This includes the Roman church in America, which is functionally the largest liberal Protestant church in America. I fear that a "moderate synod" will just be a turning back of the clock to thirty or forty years ago, when the ELCA "traditionalists" were comfortable. The deeper, underlying issues will not be addressed.

 

What Does a "Moderate Synod" Mean for the Missouri Synod?

I am sure that Missouri Synod congregations across the country will receive many families from the ELCA. We will even gain congregations here and there. However, I fear that few pastors will consider the Missouri Synod as an option. Regardless of who inquires, we must be prepared to have serious conversations with those who will have them.

 

I also hope that the Missouri Synod's theological muscles haven't atrophied from having such an easy theological punching bag in the ELCA for the last twenty years; and that we can still offer a cogent critique of a "moderate synod."  Falling back on differentiation based on abortion and homosexual behavior will not be an option in reference to this new "moderate synod."

 

Off to Fishers

 The convocation in Fishers will prove to be an interesting two days. What is Lutheran CORE's plan? Who will be the leaders in this movement? What will be presented? What will the "evangelical catholics" do? What will be the doctrinal confession of the "traditionalist" ELCAers? And the most burning question...What will prove to be the strangest speech from the floor?"

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The LCMS is a moderate synod
written by Mr. Dettmann, September 27, 2009
While you are considering about a new moderate synod, I suggest you consider more about your own synod. The LCMS is already a moderate synod. It has:

1. Widespread open communion (according to the massive study done by one Ft. Wayne postgrad student, only 50.2% of LCMS pastors believe in closed communion)

2. Syncretism: The LCMS Board for missions runs Hong Kong International School and Concordia-Shanghai, which both are run on the philosophy of "spiritual education", and "making Christian students stronger in their Christian faith, Jewish students stronger in their Jewish faith, Buddhist students...etc."

3. Fairly widespread denial of fundamental Christian doctrine such as Creation and Inerrancy at the Concordias, in some circuits (such as my own, where a sizable camp of pastors wanted female ordination), and even the synod hierarchy (Paul Meier, the 2nd vice president, came out as an evolutionist on the last page of his book "The Real Story of the Creation", published by CPH).

So, before you take the speck out of the ELCA person's eye, take the plank out of your own. I left the LCMS and joined the WELS because the Bible says, "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues".
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An Article on the ELCA
written by Pastor David Ramirez, September 27, 2009
You fail to read my article charitably. It wasn't malicious, and I didn't claim Missouri had no logs.

My article is about the state of affairs in the ELCA for those outside who wish a succinct synopsis. I really wasn't discussing the state of affairs in Missouri in this article except as it pertains to what is going on in the fallout of Minneapolis.

Here's an honest suggestion: You obviously have an axe to grind. Write a well documented and persuasive article about the heterodoxy of the LCMS and why the WELS is the place to go.

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written by Eric Jonas Swensson, September 28, 2009
Thanks, it is a well-reasoned article, and I passed it on with Facebook and Twitter.
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Adding a fourth lane to the highway
written by Jonathan, September 28, 2009
It's a tough spot for those of us who find themselves mashed into the center lane. The center lane's not quite wide enough to fit everyone. We are always taking side swipes from the left and right lanes. But, most of us in the center do have somewhat of a left- or right-leaning tendency. It's hard drive exactly down the center of the center lane because it is not clearly marked, we have different ideas where to draw the center line. So maybe adding a new fourth synod that's left-of-center (sort of an "ELCA-lite" with WO and HC, but just no homosex or abortion) will ease things for everybody. That way, those who find the LCMS is not far right enough for them might have an easier time deciding to merge into the farther right lane. Expansion might be good.
Mark
Still Further Back
written by Pr. Mark Schroeder, September 28, 2009
Rev. Ramirez, I agree with your assessment and conclusion, "I fear that a "moderate synod" will just be a turning back of the clock to thirty or forty years ago, when the ELCA "traditionalists" were comfortable. The deeper, underlying issues will not be addressed." I agree with all of your argumentation.

I would add: We need to go a lot further back. After all, against all neo-feminist and neo-Schmuckerist pietatism of these dark days, the Church is still the Church of our fathers. In a phone conversation with a sturdy retired Confessional Lutheran pastor, he read an interesting quote to me this morning. We need to go back, to at least 1871, when in Philadelphia a professor made this oath upon becoming a Professor of the Lutheran Church:

“…every Professor elect of the Theological Seminary of the Evangelical Lutheran Church at Philadelphia, in the act of investiture and before entering on the performance of the duties of his office, makes the following affirmation:

‘I believe that the Canonical Books of the Old and New Testaments are given by the inspiration of God, and are the perfect and only Rule of Faith; and I believe that the three General Creeds, the Apostles’, the Nicene, and the Athanasian, exhibit the faith of the Church universal, in accordance with this Rule.

‘I believe that the Unaltered Augsburg Confession is, in all its part, in harmony with the Rule of Faith, and is a correct exhibition of doctrine; and I believe that the Apology, the two Catechisms of Luther, Smalcald Articles, and the Formula of Concord, are the faithful development and defense of the doctrines of the Word of God, and the Augsburg Confession.

‘I solemnly promise before Almighty God that all my teachings shall be in conformity with His Word, and with the aforementioned Confessions.”

—The Conservative Reformation and its Theology, by Charles Porterfied Krauth, orig. published 1871.
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Amen!
written by Pastor David Ramirez, September 28, 2009
Rev. Schroeder,

Amen and Amen. If more read Krauth we would all be doing quite a bit better.
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Good Analysis
written by Lawrence804, September 28, 2009
Thank you. I was at Fishers and thought it was a wonderful 20 hours. Part of me wishes the leadership was willing to move faster, a sentiment expressed by many in the pews there, and who came to the mike to speak. But I certainly support the leadership nonetheless. Great people, faithful Christians and Lutherans.

I would suggest that the new body which eventually emerges could be termed "center-right" instead of "moderate". I certainly hope it adopts a strong pro-life stance. That is HUGE for me and my wife.
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Lane Perspective Paralax
written by Jonathan, September 29, 2009
I suppose it all depends on where you're coming from. Anything emerging out of ELCA would indeed be a move to the right. But to describe the new synod "Center-Right"? I doubt it. As long as it retains WO and HC it can't be truly right of center, that's the point. To those with left-leaning tendancies it may appear closer to center than it actually is.
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RE: Good Analysis
written by Pastor David Ramirez, September 29, 2009
To your suggestion that the new body be termed "center-right", I would humbly reply that this would be a serious misnomer. A Lutheran body that ordains women against the clear teachings of Scripture, and 2000 years of church history is automatically a liberal church. I know that after over 30 years of doing this in American Lutheranism, we may have become desensitized to the radical nature of the ordination of women, but that doesn't change the irony of women "pastors" complaining about poeple departing from scripture and doing something the church has never done.

To make myself clear, I was calling this new body "moderate" because it will be in a moderate position theologically between the ELCA and the LCMS (and WELS/ELS). By any any fair measure, judged on its own against historic Lutheranism, this new body would be considered well left of center.

I think that taking into account the context of American Lutheranism, that has moved far to the left as a whole, and that this new body will be between the ELCA and LCMS, "moderate" is a good term. But if we are going to talk about right, left and center, then "center-left" would probably be the appropriate term for the new body.

One other point, I DO think that this body will be pro-life, however, I would say that if you have to "hope it adopts a strong pro-life stance", if you even have any doubts to whether it will clearly and staunchly condemn abortion, than this body is pretty far left.

I am so encouraged that people are angry about what has happened. There was healthy zeal at Fishers. Talking about Elijah is exactly the right frame of mind the "traditionalists" in the ELCA need to be in. And I do hope and pray that people considering the "moderate synod" deal with the underlying biblical issues, instead of just hitting "Reboot".
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Seelsorge
written by Pr. Mark Schroeder, September 29, 2009
And when we speak of theological positioning of church bodies, "left center", "right center", "center center" etc. in regards to say, WO, I guess that's all well and good in order to get a grasp on a literally devilish situation. For the old ancient foe is prowling and he is devouring. But as we have (in the ELCA and the PCBs) so left the inerrant Scripture, then we are talking about souls and salvation. A dear colleague of mine, retired, graduated from Philadelphia in 1957. Back then the historical criticism of the Scriptures was already being taught. He told the Bible class that when it came to the Old Testament we were forbidden to look for Christ within it because that would violate the Old Testament, "...there was a wall between the two testaments". Just think: the denial of Scripture, however 'nice' the form, has been going on in the Lutheran churches for a half a century! I dismissed the alarms of '74 as "reactionary", "rigid". I went to Seminex. But maybe we are all now waking from our slumbers. And when my colleague was ordained, he was called to be a missionary in the Caribbean. There, with nothing to do in his spare time, he did something that changed his whole perspective on Ministry: he read the Bible cover to cover. The Lord will have His way.

This morning I re-read the last chapter in the Augsburg Publishing House edition of The Hammer of God by Bo Giertz, 'A Heart of Stone and the Rock of Salvation'. In this chapter the 'enthusiast', Pr. Torvik is taught the most important lesson of his life, which entails the inerrancy and authority of Holy Scripture. And the first part of the Pastor's lesson was from a church member, Mother Lotta. When we are speaking of the positioning of church bodies, we are also talking about the positioning of church bodies going toward heaven or hell. And Mother Lotta has something to say regarding, women's ordination:

Mother Lotta: "And now that I have come here to contend in all friendliness with you, Pastor, I must say that I could never understand that you, who make so much of obedience, can permit women to speak God's Word at meetings. That is clearly forbidden in the Bible."
"But Mother Lotta, you are now talking like a real minister yourself."
"Yes, the Lord be merciful to my sinful soul! I know full well that I shall have to give an account on the last day for every idle word I talk as I sit here. And if there were no atoning blood, I should not have dared to come. But, Pastor, no woman has ever been permitted to speak among us at our meetings. Then the old preachers read God's Word. God help me! Rather than let them see Mother Lotta standing in the pulpit, I would lay my old head on the railroad track. It has been more than enough that God has given me five children whom I have tried to nurture by the Word of God. And if a troubled soul has come, I have of course tried to comfort and help with the truths of Scripture. But to be a teacher in God's church and a shepherd for the flock, that is another matter. Only an ungodly self-security would make one believe oneself capable of that, when one was not called and ordained."
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Spot On
written by Murfreesboro Lutheran, October 24, 2009
I found your analysis to be quite right in terms of how my former congregation at Advent Lutheran in Murfreesboro TN reacted, over 50 members have walked out the door, many have moved to other denominations my family being one of them who is exploring the Methodist church after my husbands 350 year family affiliation with Lutheranism.

Others are trying to form a new Lutheran Church in Murfreesboro and determine just what that will look like, still others tried to stay and fight from within and had a vote to invite Core to speak with the congregation which got shot down. It has got pretty ugly all in all which is why we simply left and I resigned my Committee chair position, even the Council President resigned and left.

While I harbor those who remain no ill will I am angry, I simply feel that our family has lost the affiliation of the Lutheran Church and had it forcibly taken away by those pushing a social agenda and I find the argument to stay engaged disengenuious at best. I do feel that the LCMS should be more vocal in courting those that are disenfranchised and your window is closing quickly in my opinion as my email is full of email chains of those leaving our former church who are courting those leaving to form the new Lutheran Church who are exploring alternatives outside Lutheranism.

Best Regards
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Pastor
written by Mark Schroeder, October 25, 2009
Dear Murfreesboro Lutheran,

It has been unfortunately commonplace for folks who, say, left their church body of origin, to come back years later and observe: "I know I left the church but now the church as left me." And it's the main-line Protestant church bodies that have become liberal, social agenda driven, who have also been called 'old-line'. And let's face it: the ELCA has left the station. And from your e-mail leaving alot of pain and heart-ache.

Here also at my ELCA congregation. During a church council meeting a resolution had been put forth the month before declaring that the congregegation would not use the sexuality social statement as a teaching document because it is in serious error. It was really soft-ball stuff. "Oh, how we can we say that!" "This is so divisive!" I said, it is not we who are divisive. It fell on deaf ears and the resolution was defeated 7 to 1. Since then I have not received Holy Communion at the congregation of which I am pastor. I will make known my reasons for doing so here in the congregation in the near future.

On Reformation Sunday it is important to remember that the same accusation of divisiveness was hurled at the Reformers. They were standing for the Word of God: "Lord, Keep Us Steadfast in Your Word, curb those..." It was not they who were finally divisive. It is His Word in these dark days we must keep in front of us. And it will divide true from false. For the ELCA does not. And I think the ELCA has become the devil's own work. Remember the work of the devil is lies and half-truths resulting confusion so he can seek someone to devour. In I Kings 18, Elijah faced the false prophets of Baal on Mt. Carmel. And this verse, 18: 21, is sadly and powerfully applicable to the ELCA: And Elijah came near to all the people, and said, "How long will you go limping with two different opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him." And the people did not answer him a word. And for the most part the ELCA did not answer a word. The powers and principalities are at work overtime at Higgins Road: they are limping between two opinions. They want the world and the Word. You can not be "bi". If they fully believed in their own decisions they would say to non-complying congregations and individuals, repent. Instead they let it bleed as congregations limp. They are gutless and lacking in courage. Courage is my prayer for you and for us all.

Recently I read for the first time the entirety of Patrick Henry's "Give me liberty..." speech in 1775. http://libertyonline.hypermall...berty.html It is applicable to us in someways in the ELCA. It certainly sounds like a man who said, Here I stand. The last paragraph has poignant relevancy:

"It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

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Thanks For Your Thoughts Mark
written by Murfreesboro Lutheran, October 25, 2009
My wife showed me this blog as we are still searching on where are journy in our faith takes us. I agree with your assertion of "Here I stand". As a 16 year Airborne Infantry veteran, conviction and principle and moral as well as physical courage are things I have witnessed is some trying situations.

And I remember one leader in particular who told me, when a organization or individual compromises its morality or beliefs for the sake of getting along, evil wins.


My whole issue with this ELCA decision is that while one should not place a church leader on a pedestal once does expect a higher standard of moral authority in how they conduct themselves and since we are all sinners and and granted our grace through Christ in our repentance how can someone who glorifies in behavior contrary to the word of God have the moral authority to lead a congregation of the faithful. By association if I were to stay and allowed myself and family to do so we would share in that willful sin against the Lord.

I do not understand why the ELCA leadership cannot understand this simple principal that its not aobut hate but rather guilt by association to which I will not be a party to.
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Murfreesboro Lutherans: You are most welcome!
written by Mark Schroeder, October 26, 2009
I thank you for your thoughtful reply. I have been more and more persuaded by the discipline of the military as an apt description for a pastor. After all it is written in the Bible: “Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No soldier on service gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to satisfy the one who enlisted him.”—2 Timothy 2: 3-4. And yes, let’s be forthright: there is supposed to be a double standard, one for pastors and for the congregation. From 1 Timothy 3: “Now a bishop must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, dignified, hospitable, an apt teacher, no drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and no lover of money. He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way; for if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how can he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil; moreover he must be well thought of by outsiders, or he may fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.” And when we read “bishop”, it is Biblically and historically correct to read “pastor”. Pastor and Congregation all together in their God-given mission: will it look like the 10 commandments? Yes! Sometimes better, but never less than. You are spot on in your response.

I want to make clear what I was saying in my previous post: Yes, by encouraging “Here, I stand” I did not mean with an apostate and heretical church body, like the ELCA. The time is past. I do not want my family to so associate. The question of homosexuality is inter-related to a whole host of issues: gender-inclusive language, ordination of women, social action as reason for a Congregation instead of the Gospel, etc. which is all tied into the erosion of Scriptural authority. Indeed, 2 Corinthians 6: 14: “For what partnership have righteousness and iniquity? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?” I personally think the last possible Lutheran Church body left in our great country is the LCMS.

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